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Corth · Mar 13, 2006, 08:40 PM // 20:40

You have to be in range to interupt it as well. There are ways to make it last longer too.

Yanman.be · Mar 13, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

i think to kill a boon prot: migraine, interrupts, diversion shatter ench, conjure would do the trick...like JR said: he's not gonna bring enchantments, so CoP is worthless, and what other hex remover cannot be interrupted?...you'll die from degen ( don't forget arcane + power block )

Kai Nui · Mar 14, 2006, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Mindwrack energy burner with signet of humility.

Not to mention Ignorance is a great choice for boon/prots with signet of humility. No res, no energy management, no blessed sig, no sig of devotion, only backfire, edenial, and degen. Hahahaha.

BaseKid · Mar 14, 2006, 03:56 AM // 03:56

Having just e-denial in pvp is overated IMO...offering of blood and their energy problems are fixed. Plus, skills arent as easy to spam.

Now i read in the other forum that MoR was underpowered...this is not the case. I use MoR to shut down monks and it works great. Energy burn recharges faster, Diversion recharges faster (almost only one second without it on if u can spam it when it recharges because of fast casting), Shame recharges faster and energy tap recharges faster. Now, like other builds, this one has a counter, but u can't simply OOB and have it all better again...gotta worry about diversion and shame.

Echo Surge mesmers are OVERATED, IMO. They dont have the greatest energy management either.

Weakness to most E-Denial Builds: Migraine Mesmers or Interupting Rangers.

Good for taking down: Monks and perhaps other mesmers with diversion (although I focus primarily on monks for 8vs8)

LightningHell · Mar 14, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44

What does Mantra of Recall do to that monk over there?

LouAl · Mar 14, 2006, 05:24 AM // 05:24

I think he meant mantra of recovery

Avarre · Mar 14, 2006, 06:38 AM // 06:38

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Originally Posted by BaseKid

Having just e-denial in pvp is overated IMO...offering of blood and their energy problems are fixed. Plus, skills arent as easy to spam.

Weakness to most E-Denial Builds: Migraine Mesmers or Interupting Rangers.

Signet of Humility. That is all.

Edit : wrong signet mentioned

SnipiousMax · Mar 14, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by BaseKid

Weakness to most E-Denial Builds: Migraine Mesmers or Interupting Rangers.

I think I'd point out that Migraine Mesmers and interrupting rangers are anti-spellcasting builds...not just anti-E-Denial builds. You might as well say that a Ward's Ele is worthless cause it can get interrupted.

LouAl · Mar 14, 2006, 08:02 PM // 20:02

/rant

this is such an interesting thread. IMO it is obvious that given a players skill bar, you *can* find a way to stop it. Isn't that the point of the game?

I personally don't think that there is much a boo/prot can do against a good mesmer, but at the same time a good boon/prot could wand a mesmer do death if that mesmer is not playing well.

/end rant

My biggest problem with an e-denial build: I usually burn through all of my own energy in the process of burning through my target's energy, and then they could slap me with their wand until I die...All that means is that I am not that good at playing e-denial (although I find it enjoyable).

SnipiousMax · Mar 14, 2006, 09:44 PM // 21:44

How would a boon/prot KILL a mesmer?

Avarre · Mar 15, 2006, 12:49 AM // 00:49

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Originally Posted by LouAl

My biggest problem with an e-denial build: I usually burn through all of my own energy in the process of burning through my target's energy, and then they could slap me with their wand until I die...All that means is that I am not that good at playing e-denial (although I find it enjoyable).

This is a concern with edenial, and why most builds run thinks like drain enchant or whatnot. The one I prefer uses a larger amount of signets, minimizing my energy usage.

Its true, a booner could want us to death if it wanted. Unless we brought a tiny-selfheal

dreamhunk · Mar 15, 2006, 12:52 AM // 00:52

I find that my mesmer can use some of the fire skills very effectively, I am trying new mesmer skills too. I have to say i love the fast casting.

beginners_luck · Mar 15, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12

If there's any downside to mesmers at all, it's that their skills are almost exclusively single-target spells. O'course, the Echos sort of work around that a bit.

zoozoc · Mar 15, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

Sure mesmer can shut down pretty much any class, but they cant shut down multiple targets or shut down multiple kinds of builds effectivly (like both casters and melee). And they dont have a ton of skills that help their team as a whole.

LightningHell · Mar 15, 2006, 05:02 AM // 05:02

A Mesmer can shut down any class permanently. It's much more trickier with more than one target, though.

(Just clarifying above post.)

But yes, they do have skills that help their team. Anything that disrupts the opponent helps your team.

Banebow · Mar 15, 2006, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by zoozoc

And they dont have a ton of skills that help their team as a whole.

[sarcasm]
This is correct, preventing a monk from healing does not help at all. You would be better off with another W/Mo

[/sarcasm]

One on one, knowing my opponents class, and preferably his skill set as well, a mesmer can take that class to a very low point of effectiveness. Kill him? Maybe not. Some shutdown, like diversion, does no damage. But you can be sure the other guy is not having a very good time with his combat.

LightningHell · Mar 15, 2006, 06:11 AM // 06:11

Let's face it, there are people in the wrong subforums sometimes...

TGgold · Mar 16, 2006, 01:47 AM // 01:47

Haha, I hear ya.

Useually it's not uncommon for me to anti-cast 2 casters at a time. (useually an ele and a nec (or some combo of them), monks tend to take more attention, and mesmers tend to be an up-in the air sort for shutting down).

We don't have skills that help the team? I know I run Power Block, it's not a widely popular elite, but it's effective. Against an incompetent Boon-Prot with guardian, it's 13 seconds of no prot skills. Or for a single element ele, it's basically 13 seconds of no casting (since the perpetual blackout is done for, this is pretty useful).
For those 13 seconds, I'm on the other caster, itnerrupting and disabling their skills. Useually Diversion is on the end of the 13 second cyle, since most people are tempted to cast right away, or they sit there for a few seconds more waiting for it to go away.

Just thought I'd say that mesmers help the whole team more than you know :P

I'm wondering how a mesmer would fair if just given the class of the opponent in a 1v1. I think that interesting secondary-based builds would pop up a lot more in this instance. I think, though, that mesmers have the easiest time in shutting down a specific build, as opposed to say...and ele having to.

Cirian · Mar 17, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by qwe4rty

Boon Prot can do more dmg wanding then most mesmers can heal. (How many Mesmers will bring ether fiest?)

The irony of brining Ether Feast is the mesmer needs the enemy to have energy to get a heal out of them - I've been stung by my own Spirit Shackles like that (doh!)

Nothing say, a Healing Signet can't fix

Jerm · Mar 18, 2006, 08:08 AM // 08:08

i think not...mesmers can't own each an every class 1v1 if u don't change your build. I'm talking about having the same build.

if u can change your build to own warriors, and then change your build to own eles, then anyone can own anyone.

for a mesmer to be anti caster, anti warrior and energy denial at the same time, its not possible..there's not enough skills in the skill bar for u to do that.

everything depends on who u're facing with what build and how to go around your weakness to exploit the enemy's weakness.